kambingbetula (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

search for "Pusat Rawatan Keraton", you can find it hard to do it like these... see it yourself..

CesarBrauer (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

You're good!

pdtpf (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Faeden:get a life!

landoncarter321 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

GROSS SICK MAN!

amazingdany (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Ha ha... "Ooops, wrong part!"

Faeden (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Because she believed she saw the room from her "spirit self".... I think your missing my point. Look up the case, its very interesting.

awollangk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

This sounds fishy to me. How could anyone who has been blind from birth even have the vocabulary to describe color? Sure, she knows the words but has absolutely no way to connect the word with the actual visual color.And the brain is an electro-chemical organ and the electrical impulses are too faint to actually be able to detect outside the body without equipment they just don't have in most hospital emergency rooms. EEGs measure skin electric activity and miss anything deep in the brain.

Faeden (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Look up the blind women who had an NDE, she had been blind from birth. And described what the Dr's were wearing, described words on equipment, and even told them the colors of the surgery walls and bed ect while floating above her body. How could a blind person know that other than sight from something other than their physical eyes? Also the brain is dead when there is no electrical activity.

awollangk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I think any Doctor who claims that they can categorically state that a person is brain dead at the time of death is mis-informed. Usually "brain death" is identified by the lack of certain reflexes or electrical activity in the skin. Now, if they had done an exhaustive survey of electro-chemical activity and found none I'd say you have a case to claim that they were brain-dead. I'm more inclined to chalk most NDEs as proof that current methods of determining brain death are insufficient.

Faeden (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

non-supernatural explanations that are equally compelling? How do you non-supernaturally explain Dr's documenting the human brain dead, no electricity at all, and documenting the exact times, and then someone being brought back to life, saying i was floating in the corner of the room and heard what was said in the room when no brain activity was functioning?I have been studying the supernatural for nearly 20 years, including scepticism, believe me I am not misinformed.